ariannahiggins (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

wait...what's the difference between oligarchy and polyarchy then *consults wikipedia again*

ariannahiggins (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

Hmmm "polyarchy"... new word... *consults wikipedia*

irishlad76 (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

even Marx argued that with the development of advanced socialism the state would wither away, as its primary role was the presevation of privilage

irishlad76 (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

Anarchism is about the opposition to the state, which most anarchist's outside of the US, view as the protector of capital over the rights and power of the working class

irishlad76 (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

actually that was a German citizen in the 1918 or so.. Rosa Luxambough... we have two choices socialism or barbarism. Unfortunately in the german case, the revolutionary movement got crushed and barbarism won out

SolAurum (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

Actually I'd prefer Hitler, people weren't living in abject poverty under him.I've no idea about Obama's motives, but I assume he knows Nader's a joke too.

TexanProgressive (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

Why is Nadar a joke? Obama refused to debate him because he didn't want to get exposed on a whole host of issues.Nadar gets his message out though for people who want to listen. If Hitler and Stalin were the two front-runners, you wouldn't get mad at a third party candidate for siphoning votes from Stalin, would you (I assume you would think Stalin was preferable)?

TexanProgressive (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

People would take control of their own lives and realize that everyone will be better off if they get together and organize. Land and capital would be viewed as communally owned, similar to library books, river water, etc. The key is to organize society so that everything is democratic and participation in the community is voluntary. The idea is that it is better off for you to volunteer to participate than to live on your own. That is the idea anyway.

SolAurum (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

Nader!? lol, that guy's a joke, runs every year and gets shot down violently. But hey, that's why the US ain't a democracy. (Btw we aren't guaranteed a democracy, but a republic by the constitution).Obama will be good I think, unless he turns out to be the antichrist like the conspiracy morons are saying.

Countdown2Madness543 (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

"Can someone tell me how someone can be a liberatarion or socialist at the same time?"e pluribus unum