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Ellen Degeneres Vs. John McCain: Gay Marriage
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John McCain, opposed to gay marriage, gets questioned by Ellen Degeneres. There are a few moments where his face looks truly pissed. Aired on May 22, 2008. DISCLAIMER: I do not own this video and my purpose in uploading it is to promote The Ellen Degeneres Show. Free promotion and publicity is a good thing!gay marriage opposition opposed ellen degeneres show voting election barack obama hillary clinton democrat democratic republican senator john mccain mc cain mac cain maccain
Canal: Entertainment
Añadido: May 22, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Autor: FunWithStuttering
Duración: 02:58
Puntuación: 4.76
Reproducciones: 385484
Etiquetas: cain degeneres ellen gay john marriage mc mccain show
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annpetasupporter (September 5, 2008 at 8:51 am)
I mean interracial marriages are different, and used to be considered "non-traditional". We don't call their marriages "civil unions" b/c of it, and I'm sure you'd agree that "separate but equal" didn't work in the past, so why would you think it'd work now? Yes, I know, you are going to tell me that being gay is behavior and being black isn't, but like I've said before, you can't change your sexual orientation any more than your skin color and you can be celebate and be gay at the same time...
annpetasupporter (September 5, 2008 at 8:46 am)
Yeah, it's like 2:45 where I am, but my hours are kind of messed up at the moment, so to me it's not super late. Talk to ya later...
annpetasupporter (September 5, 2008 at 8:44 am)
"My argument all along has been that two things don't have to be identical to be equal."Yes, I agree, but I really don't think you can dispute the fact that the term "civil union" is considered to be less than the term "marriage"...
Ivorygate (September 5, 2008 at 8:31 am)
I guess this is where we will probably always disagree, because I don't see any implied connection between respecting heterosexuality and disrespecting homosexuality.My argument all along has been that two things don't have to be identical to be equal. In other words, not being identical does not make two things unequal, and calling two things that are not identical by an identical name weakens them both in a sense.It must really be late - I'm beginning to sound like Playa.Later, Ann
annpetasupporter (September 5, 2008 at 8:28 am)
"If I was gay, of course I would want to "marry" the person I loved, but as long as it was legally recognized in exactly the same way as traditional marriage I would WANT it to be called something else."I think you'd probably take issue with your love being called a "civil union" instead of a marriage, which is implies that it is somehow lesser...
annpetasupporter (September 5, 2008 at 8:15 am)
You should take a look at a video called "Former ex-gay leaders apologize" to get an idea of what I'm talking about. Also, although I doubt it's something you'd be interested in enough to take the time to watch, there's a documentary called "For the bible tells me so", and you can watch it online for free...
annpetasupporter (September 5, 2008 at 8:11 am)
"Ultimately, for those of us that truly do care about the feelings, values, and love between other people - any solution MUST respect the values of BOTH sides, or it isn't a solution at all, its just a trade."I'd have to disagree. I'd say not if those values are anti-gay (not saying you necessarily) that perpetuate shame, self-loathing, depression and ultimately hatred and violence against others and oneself. Sorry, but absolutely not. I would never respect that...
Ivorygate (September 5, 2008 at 8:02 am)
Ultimately, for those of us that truly do care about the feelings, values, and love between other people - any solution MUST respect the values of BOTH sides, or it isn't a solution at all, its just a trade.If I was gay, of course I would want to "marry" the person I loved, but as long as it was legally recognized in exactly the same way as traditional marriage I would WANT it to be called something else.
annpetasupporter (September 5, 2008 at 7:56 am)
"typical boring and childish arguments from gays. this lady just cries about how it "feels feels feels" but never once has anything of substance to say"Unlike McCain who used ALL SORTS of substance-filled arguments right??? Oh, that's right, he didn't use one. He just stated his position and that was that. Speaking of hypocrits...
haterdrinkinhaterade (September 5, 2008 at 7:48 am)
typical boring and childish arguments from gays. this lady just cries about how it "feels feels feels" but never once has anything of substance to say
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